Children, Young People and Education Committee

 

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 1 - Senedd

 

 

 

Meeting date:

Wednesday, 5 November 2014

 

 

 

Meeting time:

09.17 - 12.07

 

 

 

This meeting can be viewed on Senedd TV at:
 http://senedd.tv/en/2484

 

 

Concise Minutes:

 

 

 

Assembly Members:

 

Ann Jones AM (Chair)

Keith Davies AM

Paul Davies AM (In place of Angela Burns AM)

Suzy Davies AM

John Griffiths AM

Bethan Jenkins AM

David Rees AM

Aled Roberts AM

Simon Thomas AM

Joyce Watson AM (In place of Lynne Neagle AM)

 

 

 

 

 

Witnesses:

 

Huw Lewis AM, The Minister for Education and Skills

Helen Jones

Simon Moss, Welsh Government

 

 

 

 

 

Committee Staff:

 

Gareth Rogers (Second Clerk)

Marc Wyn Jones (Clerk)

Sarah Bartlett (Deputy Clerk)

Sian Thomas (Researcher)

Gwyn Griffiths (Legal Advisor)

 

 

 

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Transcript

View the meeting transcript.

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1    Introductions, apologies and substitutions

The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting.  Apologies were received from Lynne Neagle, Joyce Watson was substituting.

 

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2    Higher Education (Wales) Bill - Stage 2: Consideration of Amendments

The Chair said that the Committee would consider the amendments in the order in which the sections and schedules to which they relate, arise in the Bill.

 

The Committee disposed of the following amendments:

 

Section 1

 

Amendment 4 (Huw Lewis)

 

For

Against

Abstain

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

 

 

7

3

0

Amendment 4 was agreed

 

Amendment 1 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).


Sections 2 and 3:  No amendments were tabled to these sections, therefore these sections were deemed agreed.

Section 4

Amendment 26 was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66

Amendment 27 was not moved in accordance with Standing Order 26.65

Section 5:  No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore this section was deemed agreed.

Section 6

Amendment 43 – Simon Thomas

For

Against

Abstain

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii).  Therefore, Amendment 43 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 54 – Suzy Davies

For

Against

Abstain

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii).  Therefore, Amendment 54 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 44 was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66

Amendment 5  Huw Lewis

 

For

Against

Abstain

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

 

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

 

5

3

2

Amendment 5 was agreed

 

Amendment 6 -Huw Lewis

 

For

Against

Abstain

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

 

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

 

7

3

0

Amendment 6 was agreed

 

New Section

Amendment 25 – Bethan Jenkins

For

Against

Abstain

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

Suzy Davies

Paul Davies

 

3

7

 

Amendment 25 was not agreed.

 

Section 7

Amendment 45 – Simon Thomas 

For

Against

Abstain

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

 

3

5

2

Amendment 45 was not agreed.

 

Sections 8: No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore this section was deemed agreed.

Section 9

Amendment 7 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).

Amendment 8 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).

 

Sections 10, 11 and 12: No amendments were tabled to these sections, therefore these sections were deemed agreed.

Section 13

Amendment 9 -Huw Lewis

 

For

Against

Abstain

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii).  Therefore, Amendment 9 was not agreed. Amendments 16, 18 and 22 fell.

 

Amendment 46 – Simon Thomas

For

Against

Abstain

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii).  Therefore, Amendment 46 was not agreed.

 

Section 14: No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore this section is deemed agreed.

Section 15

Amendment 10 - Huw Lewis

 

For

Against

Abstain

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

 

 

7

3

0

Amendment 10 was agreed

 

Section 16: No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore this section is deemed agreed.

Section 17

Amendment 39 – Aled Roberts

For

Against

Abstain

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii).  Therefore, Amendment 39 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 40 – Aled Roberts

For

Against

Abstain

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii).  Therefore, Amendment 40 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 47 – Simon Thomas

For

Against

Abstain

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii).  Therefore, Amendment 47 was not agreed.

 

Sections 18 to 23: No amendments were tabled to these sections, therefore these sections were deemed agreed.

Section 24

Amendment 48 - Simon Thomas was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).

Section 25

Amendment 49 – Simon Thomas

For

Against

Abstain

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii).  Therefore, Amendment 49 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 50 – Simon Thomas

For

Against

Abstain

Paul Davies

Suzy Davies

Simon Thomas

Bethan Jenkins

Aled Roberts

John Griffiths

Keith Davies

David Rees

Joyce Watson

Ann Jones

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii).  Therefore, Amendment 50 was not agreed.

 

Section 26: No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore this section was deemed agreed.

 

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3    Papers to note

The papers were noted.

 

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3.1  Financial Education and Inclusion (Wales) Bill - Letter from Bethan Jenkins following the meeting on 9 October

 

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3.2  Financial Education and Inclusion (Wales) Bill - Letter from the Minister for Education and Skills following the meeting on 1 October

 

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3.3  Higher Education (Wales) Bill  - Letter from the Minister for Education and Skills -  Draft Regulations

 

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3.4  Welsh Government Draft Budget 2015 - 16 - Letter from the Health and Social Care Committee to the Minister for Health and Social Services

 

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3.5  Welsh Government Draft Budget 2015 -16 - Letter to the Minister for Communities and Tackling Poverty

 

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3.6  Welsh Government Draft Budget 2015-16 - Letter to the Minister for Education and Skills and Deputy Minister for Skills and Technology

 

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4    Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:

The motion was agreed.

 

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5    Financial Education and Inclusion (Wales) Bill - Consideration of draft report

Subject to a few minor amendments the Committee agreed the draft report.

 

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6    Inquiry into Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services - Consideration of draft report

The Committee agreed on its conclusions to the report and a final draft would be considered at the meeting next week.

 

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